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RotGrub

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RotGrub,

 

What if Gold grew on trees like apples? :)

 

You have been around long enough to know how the "system" works.

 

Unfortunately, the western states have 25 percent of the total population in the US. Representation on the Federal level is based on population. So, the western state influence in the regulatory process on the Federal level is minimal. Political Action Committees (PACS) are funded by special interest groups that seek to affect the regulatory process. Funding comes from environmental groups that seek to limit OUR access to gold and other minerals through not only limiting access to the lands but access to the chemicals, funding, insurance, tools and processes required to do what we want to do.

 

Will it change?

 

Yes. But not in the way we would like to see the changes made. People could in your "what if?" scenario change the process to a let's all go out into the woods and play and mine gold world. The problem is "people" ARE the problem. Irresponsible opportunists over past decades have demonstrated the worst examples of what people can do when regulations are NOT in effect. 

 

- Geowizard

Yes, Geowizard, I do know for the most part how things currently work. I also cannot accept what they have offered. A national unified organization that speaks for the nation (not just western states, not just miners) will never be created if everyone just accepts the conditions that they have create. There is over 70 million outdoorsmen nationwide with an annual economy of approximately 650 billion. 60 years ago did a handful of socialists give up? Was the United States of America culture and liberties too much to overcome for their collectivism ideology? The NRA has 5 million members and they have been very successful; we can learn from them. Why not outdoorsmen? are we too stupid? lazy? selfish...I cannot accept that they are smarter than us and just surrender. I (we) may be completely defeated; no argument, However I also know that if nothing is done we have no chance.

You may be surprised of what we are capable of. I believe we are gaining some traction. We are working very hard and I'm excited about the future. You want to know something? politics are not restricted to government and politicians. The very same issues regarding power and wealth have creped into many outdoorsmen organizations... You need the people /members first, then the leadership will follow or be replaced... Regarding regulations... well yes, and when these regulations are created and enforced by the stewards of the land with science and commonsense policies instead of deception and lies issued by the socialist; I will agree with you. But when unelected unaccountable agencies use the environment to advance their socialist agenda I will disagree. The word regulation is a strange word is it not?

Your knowledge and wisdom would be appreciated and strengthen our cause. We just need to be positive and continue grinding forward. If that is not possible, I would then request that you do not work against those still in the fight.

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RotGrub,

 

When I meet and speak with others in the outdoors, their agenda is as you point out - an obvious socialist agenda.

 

The political process may take a big turn if certain leadership positions see replacements that take the views of the majority of Americans and disengage themselves from the PACs. One Republican that is running for the top office and leading in the polls comes to mind. :)

 

- Geowizard

The National stage and our outdoorsmen issues overlap. It is my hope and the opinion of many others that this country is primed to move to the right. Trump is not my first choice nor my last but he has called out the ruling class in a manner that appeals to most Americans. You can argue his policies but the issues are more than valid. For similar reasons we see a socialist giving Hillary a run for her money. Point being everyone is feed up with the ruling class. Don't misunderstand me, I'm fully aware of the difficulty in front of us. Just know that there are people working on this and we are making progress.
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I'm knew to this forum and this prospecting activity/lifestyle. But I like and admire the way you think. As an old lumber industry worker I'm no stranger to the Forest Circus.

Something has to change, this is our land.

couldn't make the link hot but you may enjoy it.

 

forestcircus.com dept of aggravation

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thanx RotGrub, it seems this day and age a guy has to pick his poison, im way up here in Alaska and slowly trying to graduate from dredging my claims to mining them this summer, so I am sure I will be getting more and more on board with the lower 48 mining issues, they will reflect up here more and more I suppose

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