Jump to content


  • Content count

  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won


Everything posted by FreeGoldFanatic

  1. FreeGoldFanatic

    Lode Vs. Placer ?

    Thanks RJS A good short explination to my long question(s). Makes sense to me now.
  2. FreeGoldFanatic

    Lode Vs. Placer ?

    Thank you Geowizard for your response. In a forum we share information freely for the benefit of all. Please don't get defensive when challenged. My best boss often told me "prove it" when I gave him information without any supporting facts. From him I learned from him to take less things at face value. After all miners are always trying to prove it is there or not. Aren't we? Your comments are educating, informative and welcomed. Thanks again.
  3. FreeGoldFanatic

    Lode Vs. Placer ?

    My referance material comes from Jim Rattlesnake S. Thanks Jim "You folks might want to read this document: http://www.nbmg.unr.edu/dox/sp6.pdf" In this Nevada document: MINING CLAIM PROCEDURES NEVADA BUREAU OF MINES AND GEOLOGY Mackay School of Mines Fifth Edition FOR NEVADA PROSPECTORS AND MINERS on page 9 it says "The 1872 Federal law requires a lode claim for “veins or lodes of quartz or other rock in place” (30 USC 26; 43 CFR 3841.1), and a placer claim for all “forms of deposit, excepting veins of quartz or other rock in place” (30 USC 35). More generally, any vein, lode, zone, or belt of mineralized rock lying between boundaries that separate it from the neighboring rock, even if these boundaries are gradational, should be located as a lode claim. Particles and nuggets of gold contained in gravel or sand should be located as a placer claim. The form of the deposit, and not whether it contains a metal or nonmetal, is the controlling factor. Building stone, diatomite, pumice, salt, and some other materials are commonly located as placers (30 USC 161, 162, 611), and disseminated copper and disseminated gold deposits are located as lodes. (“Disseminated” means that the mineral is finely distributed throughout a volume of solid rock.)" First some definations and coments then my question for all of you out there. From http://www.archaeologywordsmith.com gravel : DEFINITION: Any stone that is greater than 2 mm in diameter. Gravel may be classified as: granule, pebble, cobble, and boulder gravel. The term also refers to a sedimentary deposit consisting mainly of gravel-sized clasts. sand CATEGORY: geology DEFINITION: A term describing the size of sediment or soil particles, 0.06-2 mm in diameter (BS 1377). The term has no implications of color, organic content, or any property other than particle size or texture. From http://www.nalms.org/home/publications/water-words-glossary/G.cmsx GRAVEL A mixture composed primarily of rock fragments 2 mm (0.08 inch) to 7.6 cm (3 inches) in diameter. Usually contains much sand. SAND Composed predominantly of coarse-grained mineral sediments with diameters larger than 0.074 mm (0.0029 inch) and smaller than 2 mm (0.079 inch) in diameter. OK, I have given definations of what is gravel and what is sand; because I want to understand, or clarify, when a section of land should be claimed by "the form of the deposit" ether as a lode or a placer. The terms gravel and sand are used in the defination of a placer. My questions: #1 So if I take my excavator and dig a trench, or take my dozer and cut a bench in a hillside, I then take the exposed soil and size it, tumble it, wash it, table it or what ever process I wish to choose, BUT I DO NOT CRUSH ANY HARD ROCKS, and I capture any gold or other economicly recoverable elements, do I have a placer claim? #2 What if the gold I capture is not free gold? Gold that may be coated with another mineral. #3 If I do any crushing of rock, must my claim be lode to protect it? What if I have a placer and I run my conglomerates through a rock crusher, it still is considere a placer. Right? #4 How should I define "rock-in-place"? #3 Now a question relating to "between boundaries". What if there are no boundaries? In other words the whole hill or mountain contains a simular soil or rock configuration? Lode is defined as something "in between". So if there is no major physical differentiation, igneous or otherwise, between soil stratas, is it all considered a placer? I am not looking for legal advice here. Only your knowledge, experience or opinion(s). Thanks
  4. FreeGoldFanatic

    Lode Vs. Placer ?

    Yes Geowizard. Thanks for your input but if a placer can be located over a lode by a different prosper, wow. Can you defend that statement?
  5. FreeGoldFanatic

    Lode Vs. Placer ?

    Thank you to all of you who have answered,especially Clay. You put effort into responding and I appreciate that. Fortunately my questions were hypothetical based on my intent to claim some real land. I want to set up the claims to the best of my advantage and protection. I am not in a legal conflict but want to be prepared in case I must be. You have given me helpful information, legal terms and ideas that I now will study. It is very important that I do this right. It is a large site and the potential is huge. Thank you again
  6. FreeGoldFanatic

    Financing A Hardrock Mine

    The easiest way is to offer a percentage of ownership to Exploration and Mining Companies. The more the owner does to promote interest in his site the more he can claim in percent of the profits. An absent tee owner who does nothing and turns all development over to another is worth 10%. Pretty good when you don't invest anything more than the land or a claim.
  7. FreeGoldFanatic


    Does anyone know of a source of geophysics maping of Arizona?
  8. FreeGoldFanatic

    Posting Rules, Terms of Service, etc

    Editor: I noticed that the last person that added a comment is listed as the author "by" in the list of topics. Shouldn't it be the person who posted the initial question?
  9. FreeGoldFanatic

    Microcluster Gold And Pgms

    What is the differance between gravels, sands, silt and clay? It is the screen or sive size that they will pass through. Their names have nothing to do with where they came from. Whether gold is called large, small, macro, micro, flour, dust doesn't or shouldn't matter. Put it through a screen and get a scientific measurement for it. Then you can talk sense.
  10. FreeGoldFanatic

    "flour Gold" Recovery

    There are some important answers that I would want to know when asking questions about recovery to refining methods; that are available, practicle and economical: Where is the Gold? Placer - depth, overburden type & size. Hardrock - type What size is the gold - mesh range. Don't use descriptive terms that are not well defined. What is the shape of the gold? - flat, round, balled, tubular, flake (descriptive terms ok here) What is the color of the gold? Is the Gold free gold or is it tied up in or with other minerals or metals? Ore: Size of the ore body? acessability? How many oz. of gold per head ore ton (2,000 lbs.). Is this uniform throught the ore body? Has the ore been weathered? water only, air only, moisture with freezing, underground? Are there other precious metals in the ore Methods: How has a/the concentrate been made? dry? wet? Equipment used? Has the rock/ore been crushed, ground, hammered, pulverized, smeared, floated, etc. And finally: Who is the owner? How much will the owner share of the gold recovered if they contracted out for any, to all mining processes or operations from the start to dore bars or gold buttons. Most all gold is recoverable from nature. The question is: how much are you willing to pay to get it?
  11. FreeGoldFanatic

    Posting Rules, Terms of Service, etc

    Editor: Good Start. Need to have a link for information, like this, on the first page. Title it something like Newcomers Start Here or How this Forum Works. I had to look around a little bit to find this starting place. Thanks. It is good to start something like this.