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  1. Hi Kurt, Apologies for the delay. I have to Work long hours at the moment which pays for my long hours of messing around in Nome during the Summer. Firstly, O.K. yes money is always an issue but not one that I would think should stop us from crunching some real numbers to see whether or not the entire thing is even feasible. It shouldn't cost us much at all to have an actual Plan of attack which is why I am trying to encourage thoughts and suggestions from other Forum Members who may have more experience on various aspects of a similar style of Project. And if somebody asked me where does the money come from to Drill, well I couldn't even answer that because first and foremost I don't even know how much I need to Drill. I haven't set out a Drilling Program, I haven't settled on a Hole Size, I don't know how many feet I am planning to Drill etc etc. i.e. How long is a piece of String ? The same goes for Hauling Material. How much Material and how far ? We fill in some blanks then all of a sudden some firmer numbers start appearing. There is a lot of work to be done before we could even estimate what it would cost to get a Bulk Sample done. As soon as I get time I'll work on some Volume estimates to see what sort of volumes we are talking to open up the Pay by way of Ramp. At least if we can open up some Pay then there is the chance of recovering some costs via the Bulk Sampling. We'll talk about the other questions later when we know more. Maybe more specific info. may entice more interest from other Miners or prospective Miners. At the moment, it would appear to be just the two of us. .
  2. I will have a look around when I get there in June. That's a lot of Overburden so the Grade must be good. I think economy of scale would also make a difference if that Operation is Nome Gold for example who have literally thousands of Acres to play with. Getting back to the Plan. Kurt has a very good point. Drill before you dig. I can't argue with that. Let's assume though for a minute that we as a group are seriously considering forming a Syndicate or other to actually Mine this ground. Don't laugh. There is probably a significant amount of experience right here on this Forum that could eventually come up with the right answers, economically. So Drill or Dig ? I would say Drill 9 times out of ten but it is deep ground which is expensive Drilling. I say get Quotes on both options. Drilling is generally per foot plus Mobe / De-Mobe. Maybe Kurt can make some enquiries and get back to us. My Geo. lives in Fairbanks. I will see him in Nome in June. He will know the current Drilling rates. As for the Ramp, I would say Hire an Excavator for a Month and of course a Rock Truck or two just so we can get the initial excavation done and get a look at the Pay. We'll talk a deal with Volvo and maybe even get on TV. But seriously, getting back to the Ramp for access. Let me ask this. Wouldn't that ground have to be stripped anyway to get at that Pay ? Wouldn't that access also give us ground to Bulk Sample ? Wouldn't we then have costs on how much it is to move a Yrd/3 ? Compromising on the Drilling, if we had Pay exposed at ground level, why not Drill it Horizontally / Slightly Inclined from the bottom of the Ramp ? Yes, of course that also presents new problems like potential caving in the Hole etc etc. so we would probably have to case it but there are sizes ( PQ Triple Tube ) which could give us almost the same representative Sample as a 4" Surface hole. As one of my old Bosses used to say at Work, he is not interested in problems. Whilst he will recognize and understand there are difficulties, he is only ever interested in hearing our solutions to the various issues, which of course in Mining are guaranteed to arise on a daily basis. This Job sort of reminds me a bit of an Exploration Shaft we had to sink on a base Metals Project ( Silver / Lead / Zinc / Copper ) where we had to put down a Circular Shaft about 150 ft. to hit the Orebody. From there we put in Drifts in 3 x directions about 100 ft. long. Then we brought down Diamond Drills, set them up and Drilled out from the end of the Drifts in a Fan pattern to look at what was in front of and around us. If Kurt is saying 150 ft. to 200 ft Wide, then Holes on 25 ft. centers should do the trick. More soon.
  3. Hello Harry, Sorry about the slow response. I've been on a 40T Rock Truck these past few days and it's been bouncing the hell out of me to the point where I can't even think straight. I hope there's Gold in that dirt. But moving on to your questions - 1. Exposing new Pay is by way of removing the existing Pay exposed by the initial excavation. 2. As for the Overburden, it stays where it is for the most part. In a nutshell, I am talking about going under it. Exactly how that might be achieved is open to suggestions. Chris is getting closer to the mark in that there are similarities to Coal because we would be trying to remove a Flat-lying Orebody. Before we put some ideas out there on how to Mine the Pay, it looks like I need to clarify that I would think this type of Project would have to be Winter Mining for Pay extraction which would then be Stockpiled and washed once you had thawed water. I could not imagine MSHA allowing us to Mine under it whilst it is thawing. As for thawing muck, yes it does turn to slop as Chris pointed out above and a way would have to be found to manage that around the Ramp to keep access open. During Winter when most of the Mining activity would have to take place I would not expect that keeping the muck at bay should be that much of a problem. Shafts are good for access and exploration but I think they can present just as many problems as cleaning up the thawed muck which has run down the Ramp during Summer. The biggest problem with the Shaft is removing large volumes of Pay to the surface for washing. The other question which needs to be answered is where do we start ? Do we start at the deep end or do we start at the shallow end ? I am thinking we start at the deep end where the deepest gravels lie which I am assuming would probably be downstream. Reason being is that we use the natural fall or gravity by working our way higher from Downstream to Upstream. More soon. More dirt to move tomorrow. Must rest.
  4. Hey Kurt, Yes, as Chris puts it, interesting proposal. Unusually, not even a single query has come forward about the how and why of this Project so let's start the ball rolling by throwing out a few ideas. Firstly, I know you like a challenge and so do I. This Project represents a number of expensive challenges so one would need to have a sizeable Bank Account and a willingness to throw it at something you can't see or touch. At least in Las Vegas, I get to see and hold the Cards or Dice and physically place my Chips on the Numbers whilst throwing down free Drinks all night as fast as I can. But getting back to the Project you mentioned. First thing that scares most people off would be the significant amount of Overburden. I recall years ago that the Geologist I work with said that I would have a field day around Fairbanks because I have a lot of Underground experience and there are a lot of deep Placers that remain untouched for obvious reasons. So the challenge would be whether or not this ground can be worked economically. In my book, stripping that much Overburden is out of the question. I only Drill to 20ft. in the permafrost. If I'm not in Pay at 20ft. it's out and move. My Geo. reckons 12ft. is his cut-off. Everybody will have a different idea about what can and cannot be economically Mined at any depth and of course there are a lot of variables, particularly Grade. So here's a suggestion. Rather than stripping the entire Stream Valley, what about opening up one end down to Bedrock by way of a Ramp. Open an area large enough to load either a Rock Truck/s or a Conveyor System to move Pay. The sides would of course have to be cut back to prevent Slides, Rock falls etc etc. but it's a faster way of exposing Pay. The next question is then how do you Mine the exposed Pay ? More tomorrow. Steve.
  5. Carter / Ronald, Lot's of variables here so I can only speak about what I am doing. I have a Track-Mounted Hydraulic Auger. Drilling 9 inch Holes down to as much as 20ft. 20ft., right or wrong, is my Cut-Off in terms of how much Frozen Overburden I would be prepared to shift to get at Pay. If I'm not in Pay by 20ft. and the ground is not changing much then I'm out and moving. For example, I have just moved to a new area where a 1907 USGS Bulletin states that Bedrock was reached in a Shaft @ 97ft. The top 40ft. is Gravel but if I haven't hit Pay by 20ft. then I'll move. All the ground is Frozen. If I'm in Pay @ 20ft. I'll keep Drilling. No need for Casing. Lot's of extra work. Frozen Ground holds up really well apart from the expected Thawing around the collar. Thawed ground is also quite stable. This could vary greatly depending of course on what and where you are Drilling. A Gravel Bar in the River would be problematic for example and apart from the Hole caving, I would expect there would be water ingress at some depth. This tends to wash Sample off the Auger flights. As far as the accuracy of an Auger, I haven't had any problems and in fact, Sample results can be remarkably accurate and consistent. One way I realised this quite quickly is when I wanted to do some Sample checking so I Drilled a series of Holes on close spacing then Logged the results and found them to be all very similar. I.e. Similar amount of Gold at the same depth sitting on a Clay layer. Barren Gravels still barren. 2ft. Of Clay above Bedrock. Zero colour on Bedrock etc. etc. The talk about Dilution or having additional Sample or even Gold drop off the Flights and fall down the Hole to a deeper layer is not necessarily nonsense but is not a major problem and with your own experience you will soon get to notice anything unusual or out of place in your Samples. If you are Drilling Gravel you will naturally come across all the various materials such as sand, silt, fine gravel, pebbles, cobbles, greenstone, limestone, quartz, etc. etc. and usually with various amounts of Clay intermixed. We Drill through everything including cobbles up to 8" diameter or larger. I don't know if I have been through much larger than that or not as the larger rock gets ground up in to chunks so maybe I've just been lucky but I do know that the right type of Auger, i.e. Bullet-Tooth which is an aggressive bit configuration, will wear away and break up large Gravel to a certain limit. You will have to sit on it for several minutes grinding away and slowly increase the down-ward pressure until the rock starts to break up but it is do-able and is better than having to abandon a Hole then move and start a new one. These things will get easier with practice. Every Hole presents different challenges. The worst of which for me is Frozen Clay. Sometimes 10 to 12 Ft. of it. Each Machine will also have it's own limitations and ground conditions will vary widely but it ( Auger Drilling ) can be a very useful way to get a good look at what is below the surface and in my own experience appears to be quite representative although Bulk Sampling of larger volumes will still be required if a Block of Pay can be outlined with the Drilling. Good luck with it and I for one would be very interested to hear about your experiences.
  6. steve62

    "currently Mineable Grade"

    Hi Guys, Sorry about the lack of input lately. I've been in the bush for a while and am currently working at a Gold Mine out in the Desert. We go over a lot of these types of scenarios every day so I thought I would throw in a suggestion or two. It's serious Business for us as it is for every Mine, particularly given that we just produced 52,000 Ounces for December. Any slight miscalculation at these levels means a fairly large difference at the end of the day. Grade is King ! Accurate Sampling is critical. " Currently Mineable Grade " ? Good question and a very important one. Chris's response on 30th. December more or less sums it up - without knowing how the Property was Sampled, apart from perhaps being a general guide only, all other assumptions, estimates or wishful thinking is unfortunately irrelevant. Previous work on the Property is a good sign. At some point it may well have made the then owners a Profit. If I owned this Property for example, I would be less concerned about " Dollars per Yard in 1975 " and more concerned about the actual Grade of the ground measured in " Grams per Cubic Yard ". Whilst the Gold Price will always fluctuate, as will the cost of the numerous inputs, the Grade of your property will be a constant. At any given time, a certain part or parts of the property could swing between profitable ground and unprofitable ground. Hence we all use a " Ballpark " number to base decisions on. i.e. A Cut-Off Grade which will usually be based on the prevailing Gold Price. It sounds like you have a number of advantages on your side like a Low Stripping Ratio and Thawed Ground. These things for example could in fact help reduce your Cut-Off Grade. I have been Drilling my Ground with a 9" Auger. It's ALL Frozen. That's a real Ball-breaker and will no doubt add extra cost to any Operation. I've got 3 Grades - Low ( Trace ), Marginal ( Gold is present but is not quite good enough, although it could be Pay at say $1,800.00 / Ounce if I lowered my Cut-Off ) or Pay. I don't really see in " Dollars per Cubic Yard ". Either it's Pay or it's not and the price that separates the two is quite a wide variation so there is very little confusion caused by fluctuations in the price of Gold. Decisions are cut and dry. The Grade of the ground is the same now as it was in 1899, irrespective of the price of Gold and the cost of all the variables mentioned above. Interestingly, I am surprised to find after extensive Sampling over the past couple of years that the Cut-Off Grade used by the old timers in my area, with Hydraulic Operations at least, is not that far off being the same as what I would consider my Cut-Off Grade now, 100 + years later, namely - 0.4 gms / CuYrd. or put more simply, 1 Ounce per 100 Cubic Yards of Pay. It sounds like a relatively straight-forward Property to Sample in which case, as you would no doubt be aware, the priority would be to do your own Sampling, irrespective of anything which may or may not have been written about the ground. In answer to the actual question in your original Post above, I would make the humble " guesstimate " that the ground being mined surely would have had to have been running at least at 0.3 gm / CuYrd. based on the volume of dirt the Dragline would have been moving, however, if input costs were relatively high then their Cut-Off may have been much higher at say 0.5 gm / CuYrd. Only your own accurate Sampling will tell otherwise. Using a 0.4.gm / CuYrd average for example, combined with a Low Stripping Ratio in Thawed Ground, I would say that's profitable down to at least $1,000.00 / Ounce Gold. Below that price, you may have to re-think your Numbers. I would love to have that ground, provided of course there exists sufficient Yardage to support a decent Operation. Good luck. Steve62.
  7. steve62

    Residual Magnetic Intensity

    Geo, Sorry about the absence of replies. I am off to Work in a Gold Mine over the Winter so I've been quite busy with Paperwork and other preparation. I am very interested in this Topic and am still playing catch-up in regard to the dreaded INTERPRETATION so please excuse any dumb questions. Before getting on to the above example of 9 sq. Miles, I am interested in better understanding the " Cool " description for Nekula and Specimen Gulch. For instance, I think I more or less get the idea with the Anomolies North of Nome. High Magnetic Reading, i.e. Hotter Colors such as the Pinks / Purples = possible Mineralization, Black Sand etc. however, if " Cool " / " Cooler " colors indicate an absence of, or quite Low Magnetic Readings, why would we bother to get excited about " Cool " colors ? I've heard of intense Magnetic Lows being of interest, but wouldn't " Cool " to say " Luke-Warm " Colors / Readings form the bulk of the Non-Mineralized ground ? I apologize if that's a dumb question. Moving on to the 9 sq. Miles example. You mentioned that the River flows across the top-left. Is there any way that Total Magnetic Field can be over-lain on to the corresponding Topography so we can see the surrounding geographical features such as Rivers, Creeks, Benches etc. ? Reason being is that I would be interested to see if the Pinks / Purples and to a lesser extent the Reds, are in any way connected to the Hydrology of those 9 Sections. More questions later. Steve62.
  8. steve62

    Residual Magnetic Intensity

    Geo, Yes, good point. Gold is not Magnetic but it is Conductive. Speaking of Magnetometers, it's time for a Curve Ball. During this last Season, it was suggested to me that I get hold of a Magnetometer to help identify specific areas for potential Drill Targets. I naturally assumed that the primary role of the Magnetometer was to find areas of Black Sand concentrations. Here's the Curve Ball - I just finished Drilling in an area which had significant amounts of Black Sand, lot's of Silvery-grey stuff, but not a spec of Gold present. Another piece of advice I got after that was " Am I testing for Platinum ? " Any ideas ? Resistivity for example ? Steve62.
  9. steve62

    Residual Magnetic Intensity

    Greetings Geo, You have my attention yet again. Very interesting topic and I probably should read Chris' Article before posting this but I just wanted to provide an example of the dilemma that most of us humble Prospectors face and for me at least, it can be summarized in a single word - INTERPRETATION. For my area where I work I have just about everything that I could find which was available from the USGS and includes, but is not limited to, all of the following Maps / Surveys / Reports etc. etc. - 1. USGS Bulletins. 2. MinFile & Open File Reports. 3. Survey - Total Magnetic Field and Detailed ElectroMagnetic Anomolies - In Black & White showing Gamma Contours. 4. Survey - Total Magnetic Field - In Color, no Contours. 5. Survey - Aeromagnetic. ( Yes, different to 3 & 4 above ) 6. Survey - 7200 Coplanar Resistivity. 7. Geology of the Quadrangle. 8. Topography of the Quadrangle. And believe it or not, there were more Geophysical Surveys which I haven't had time to get to just yet so a special thanks should go out to the USGS for such a comprehensive effort. I wonder if they wouldn't mind dropping by my Claims next Summer to Interpret all the Data for me ? Getting back to the problem - INTERPRETATION. Obviously, I need to further educate myself in order to understand what on earth I am looking at. Enlisting the help of a Geologist seems to be the only option however, if you have some advice for us which is relatively easy to understand then we are all ears. Any and all suggestions are always most welcome as the Gold seems to have it's own way of staying hidden despite our best combined efforts. Btw, I trust your Summer was a productive one up at Ophir. Steve62.
  10. steve62

    Never Shut Down?

    Flint - Sorry about the slow response. I'm extremely busy at my day Job and get up at 4:30 am and don't get home until 6:00 pm. I'd rather be Shaft-Sinking. In reply, the Auger is a Track-Mounted Bombardier. It's on the Seward Peninsula. If it was in or near Fairbanks you could have it tomorrow. The Hole size is 9". The Auger is a Bullet-Tooth. Depth, well that's going to be the issue. Anything from 6ft. to 106ft. I have it in mind that I don't need more than about 30ft. of Auger and Flights, and yes, I will have spares in case I drop them. The bottom line is that if I'm not in pay at 25ft., the Auger comes out and I will move to a new hole so I take my hat off to you once again for planning to shift 58ft. of Overburden. If I had my time again, which I may well have when I move to Ghana after this Summer in Alaska, I wouldn't buy another Drill. I'd buy an Auger attachment for the Excavator Boom. In fact, I would modify it by Welding on a quick-Hitch bracket to the Auger Slide so I could simply drop the Bucket off and then hook on the Auger slide. We have them ( Quick-Hitches ) on all the Excavators at Work for changing out different Buckets and attachments. The Hydraulics would also have to be attached of course but I think I will try it. I'll send you the Drawings once I've worked out how best to do it. I might cut one off an old Bucket. We don't need anything too large. We're not Augering for large-diameter Piles. Don't forget, for me it's only relatively shallow Holes. I'll drop you another line on the other Thread shortly. I have a Water-Use Permit. Anybody who has applied for an APMA generally requires one if their usage exceeds a certain limit. I'll have a look at the limits and get back to you. If you're under the limit, no Water-Use Permit is required as the APMA includes usage up to a certain point but you will still have to let them know what you are up to in the event your usage increases ( start running Bulk Samples for example ) then you will have to get a Water-Use Permit to cover what you intend to do. Anyway, keep well and I'll be in touch. Steve.
  11. steve62

    Never Shut Down?

    Flint - I admire your tenacity. I have no doubt that some day you will be successful. If you have the grit and determination to sink a Shaft through frozen ground then running your Surface Placer Mine through Winter is simply another challenge except that it's on a different level. i.e. dealing with the larger Equipment and all that goes with it. I am due to go back up bush soon to re-start the Auger Drill. This will be the first re-start for me after doing my first Winterization alone back in September. Each Season brings new lessons. The only addition I have which I didn't see mentioned amongst the excellent suggestions above is an Oil Pan Heater which is in addition to the Block Heater. Remember watching on one of the older Gold Rush Episodes which showed Parker working through Winter and trying to heat up the Engine Oil in the Volvo Truck using direct flame from a propane torch ? Much easier to plug in to a Generator which is what you would do with your Block Heaters anyway. Heat them both at the same time. Oil Pan Heaters are available from a Company called Kim Hotstart - Spokane, WA. Obviously various sizes are available to suit respective Oil volumes and different specs. Just check the oil volume first then the probe length to ensure you have enough internal clearance. I assume that you will be making all the necessary modifications before the Machinery goes up on to the Job. People do it so by all means it can be done. I look forward to hearing how it goes as I may decide to follow your lead. Good luck with the Shaft also and don't forget to keep us updated once you hit Bedrock. Steve.
  12. steve62

    Blasting Frozen Muck

    Dick / Geo / Flint ( Kurt ) - Quote: " Tophole Drilling my Permafrost Placer ". I also assumed that the reference was to Drilling & Blasting the Overburden covering a surface Placer deposit. Maybe I read it wrong. I can also understand Geo's reference to working an Underground / Deep Placer as Flint's earlier Topic entitled " Anfo usage & Regulations " seemed to be dealing specifically with Blasting in his Shaft or in his Drifts which indicated that the Blasting itself was potentially going to be taking place Underground. ( Down a Hole ) I weigh in on this only because I have a Surface Blasting Licence and have been a " Shotfirer " in Open Pit Mines. Although I would be the first to admit that the Blasting of Permafrost would be a real challenge. Given that I don't have that depth of overburden to worry about, at least where I hopefully one day will be Mining, I haven't needed to give it any thought but the discussion of it has come up from time to time so I find it a really interesting subject. Is there any general information that you can give us Flint / Kurt with respect to the Depth of the ground / muck / overburden you are thinking about Blasting ? i.e. Do you have any idea yet of the profile of your Placer in relation to where your pay gravels sit from surface to Bedrock ? Will you have access to any particular type of Drill ? I am also interested to see what the experienced guys come up with but at the end of the day it's probably going to boil down to the practicalities / advantages of the exercise vs the Economics of it. Steve.
  13. Stuart - Apologies for the slow response. Work ( Our Day Jobs ) keeps us all very busy sometimes. The Budget for next Summer has to be made usually during Winter for those of us who don't get enough Gold to give up our Day Jobs so we have to work to keep funding our Exploration / Prospecting. Prospecting can be an expensive exercise, depending of course on how large you want to make it. There is also an element of risk involved so are you willing to bet the House ? Firstly, it sounds like you really wan't to get involved in some form of Prospecting / Mining. I think you must realize of course that you're on a US-based Forum. Being in the UK leaves you at a bit of a disadvantage as the UK isn't known much for it's Mining opportunities apart from the fact that Coal used to be mined there for hundreds of years. Kurt makes a good suggestion above. Start by talking to more people who are actively involved in your passion. In addition to the group Kurt mentions, I was actually going to suggest joining the GPAA. ( Google it ) Geowizard also makes some good points and probably the most important being that you will find it extremely difficult to get a Work Visa to simply, with all due respect, come and play around at somebody's Placer Mine because you like Prospecting. Sorry to rain on your parade but the harsh reality is that it is just not that easy. Having said that, what I would further suggest is that it may be worth the cost, time and effort to book yourself in on one of the GPAA Prospecting Trips to get yourself better informed about how things work here. A Visa for that ( GPAA Trip ) is the same as a Holiday whereas a Work Visa to go and Work at a Placer or Hardrock Mine is very difficult unless of course you are a highly qualified specialist who cannot be found here. Forgetting about the actual Prospecting or Mining for a moment, perhaps you need to look at your options first and foremost from a Geographical perspective given that the UK is so limited. i.e. Where am I going to look for the Gold ? Where has Gold been found in the past ? ( I am assuming that you want to Prospect / Mine for Gold ? ) Make yourself a List. Ask yourself, self, where can I actually go to turn my dream to reality ? If you're on a British Passport, which Countries on your Geographical List actually welcome British Nationals without too much paperwork ? I can think of several straight up. Ghana, Australia, Guyana and possibly even Canada. ( Commonwealth ) Process of elimination isn't it ? How do most Prospectors select an area to prospect ? We might start with a State Map for example whereas your Map is the Map of the World. Of the dozens of Countries in the World, try and get it down to a short-list of say 4-6. Remember, friendly to British Nationals. Preferably English-speaking. Once you've done that, let me know then we move on. Good luck.
  14. Stuart - Welcome to the Forum. Could you please expand a bit on what it is exactly that you are seeking help on ? For example, the way of Life you speak about, I assume that you are referring to Prospecting ? And the dream ? Please be more specific if possible and I am sure that some of the members here will have a few words of advice. Steve.
  15. steve62

    Ice Cold Gold!

    Reality Miners ? It reminds me of one night early September I was coming back in to Town ( Nome ) to get some Fuel / Supplies. I had been riding the ATV hard all afternoon in the rain coming out of the bush. I got to my Truck out at the main road then headed back towards Town. By this time it's nearly 1:00 am. I was cold and hungry, hadn't showered for days and just as I was about to stop and heat up a packet of two-minute Noodles, I came up to the Safety Roadhouse. ( 20 Miles out of Nome ) Lo and behold the lights are still on, courtesy of the " Reality Miners ". There was a party on. I walked in and the place was full of the Discovery crowd. Bloody Mary's flowing freely, Cheeseburgers all round and the Fire was burning in the corner. I must admit, I sort of wanted to find out more about the " behind-the-scenes " workings of the whole affair and if there was anything different to look forward to this Season but I was just too tired to bother listening to the BS of how hard they were doing it. I could see how hard they were doing it. I sat quietly alone near the Fire warming up and stuffed in two Cheeseburgers so fast I didn't even taste them. No-body really wanted to know what the hell I was up to at 1:00 am in the middle of nowhere. I think it must have been how I looked or probably how I smelt, not to mention my somewhat primitive table-manners. The proverbial Caveman was in the room. Come to think of it, Prospecting alone wouldn't make for enough Drama for TV. They need the conflict and tension between egos which usually arises out of the stress and tiredness of working long hours. And the worse things are going, the higher the levels of stress and conflict. I can't really complain though. I watch all of it for every small idea I can come across. I must say though that after watching Gold Rush now for several Seasons, I see in the latest Episode this weekend that the Hoffman Crew have just run dirt for two weeks in Guyana and didn't turn up a single flake. Wow ! I used to think that inadequate Sampling was a Rookie mistake or a simple lack of patience so I more or less forgave them over the first two Seasons but here we are, several Seasons later and now these guys are not Rookies any more. They have experience, an apparently unlimited Budget ( courtesy of Discovery Channel ), more Machinery than they know what to do with courtesy of Volvo and yet still, despite the efforts of Freddie Dodge to make Gold appear in every Pan, the Hoffmans still don't seem to want to Sample their ground properly. For all their fancy Equipment, Consultants, Egos, Witch-Doctors and Diviners, if there's no Gold there, don't even bother. If I had to offer up a simple piece of advice for these guys, it would be to just get back to basics. Were getting tired of the same stupidity over and over.