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    Underburden reacted to chickenminer in Starting A Placer Mining Operation   
    I do. Having decent ground is the answer. All the hard work in the world isn't going to bring you
    a good clean-up if the gold ain't there !
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    Underburden reacted to Reno Chris in Starting A Placer Mining Operation   
    Start very small and build up slowly, learning as you go. Don't spend huge amounts of money before you gain the experience to find gold. You wont have a TV program paying all your bills, and if you lose your money, its gone. Too many are in a big rush to strike it rich, and start out by spending loads and figuring they will learn what they need to know later. Later is often too late - or never happens at all. Learn the trade of finding gold first - because no type of equipment actually finds gold - you have to find it and your equipments helps you recover it. If the gravel you put in a trommel has no gold, no gold will come out. You have to find the gold and run it through your equipment. Prospecting is a skill and a trade to be learned. Practice and study and you will learn in time. 
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    Underburden got a reaction from Clay in Do I Need A Permit For Hand Powered Sleucing In Idaho   
    I'll address the issue that you put in the title of your post.
     
    Equipment that is powered by human strength (non-motorized) is legal in any water, any time per the Deputy Atty General for Natural Resources and IDWR.
     
    If you are running a highbanker in an upland location, obviously you are away from the creek, so IDWR says no permit required, BUT they recommend a Water Rights Permit to draw water from the creek to feed your upland located highbanker.
     
    If you're trying to run a highbanker right next to the creek with your discharge returning directly to the creek, however you filter it through the grass, etc, is a gray area. In that case, I'd seek forgiveness rather than permission.

    Bob
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    Underburden reacted to Harry Lipke in Recovery Rates For Hydraulic And Ground Sluice Mines   
    Are you saying that todays recovery methods are only 50% efficient? That seems really low.
    We(todays miners) don't nail wooden slats in the box anymore.....
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    Underburden got a reaction from Jimmy10 in Do I Need A Permit For Hand Powered Sleucing In Idaho   
    Ya did good
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    Underburden got a reaction from Clay in Do I Need A Permit For Hand Powered Sleucing In Idaho   
    I'll address the issue that you put in the title of your post.
     
    Equipment that is powered by human strength (non-motorized) is legal in any water, any time per the Deputy Atty General for Natural Resources and IDWR.
     
    If you are running a highbanker in an upland location, obviously you are away from the creek, so IDWR says no permit required, BUT they recommend a Water Rights Permit to draw water from the creek to feed your upland located highbanker.
     
    If you're trying to run a highbanker right next to the creek with your discharge returning directly to the creek, however you filter it through the grass, etc, is a gray area. In that case, I'd seek forgiveness rather than permission.

    Bob
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    Underburden got a reaction from Clay in Do I Need A Permit For Hand Powered Sleucing In Idaho   
    I'll address the issue that you put in the title of your post.
     
    Equipment that is powered by human strength (non-motorized) is legal in any water, any time per the Deputy Atty General for Natural Resources and IDWR.
     
    If you are running a highbanker in an upland location, obviously you are away from the creek, so IDWR says no permit required, BUT they recommend a Water Rights Permit to draw water from the creek to feed your upland located highbanker.
     
    If you're trying to run a highbanker right next to the creek with your discharge returning directly to the creek, however you filter it through the grass, etc, is a gray area. In that case, I'd seek forgiveness rather than permission.

    Bob
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    Underburden got a reaction from Clay in Winter On The Clearwater   
    I've got the most incredible location for winter mining and just 20 miles from home.
    The location is underwater between April - September and only exposes itself in the winter. Imagine a one acre basalt sluicebox where all you have to do is clean out the downstream side of the basalt riffles. That's "Mother Nature's Sluicebox". I've been working this location for several years and I've developed an eye for locating the hot spots (those that pay 30+ pieces per sample pan) For the stories and pictures of the basalt sluicebox, visit my blog:  Bedrock or Bust. This blog will be starting it's 7th hear in 2015 so check out the previous year's posts.
     
    Bob
    Yesterday's two bucket cleanout.

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    Underburden reacted to Clay in Prospecting 101   
    Here's one:
     
    Don't start and end your prospecting day on the inside of the bend next to the parking area.
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    Underburden got a reaction from irjus in Blood Nuggets   
    Got quite a few pieces of gold with host rock still attached this summer.
    Sold the lot to a friend of mine and he sent me some close up pics.
    I copied them to a black background.
    Anyone know what the red mineral is?
    Thx
    Bob

     
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    Underburden got a reaction from Clay in Seeking Divers For Proposed Tv Docuseries   
    If I were in pursuit of gold, I sure wouldn't be in a whirlpool or other turbulent fast moving water. Gold doesn't settle there, yet you want to make a TV series?
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    Underburden got a reaction from Geowizard in Epa Shuts Down Idaho Rivers To Dredgers   
    I was stopped by a BLM Ranger due to the drop basket on my ATV hiding my license plate.
    We conversed for a while and I asked if he was enforcing the new EPA regs.
    He said, "We had our rules meeting in Feb and EPA was not on the agenda.(EPA rules didn't come out until April 1st)
    As far as he was concerned, IDWR was the only authority for Idaho in 2013.
    He then commented on his thoughts about the EPA's over reach and big government in general.
    He used to work in a hard rock mine and empathized with the miners. 
     
    Bob
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    Underburden got a reaction from Ronald C in Quartz Gold   
    Finally got a decent pic of the quartz gold pieces pulled from the claim this summer.
    Of the 35 grams, these pieces accounted for roughly 8% of the total.
    Haven't finished our honey hole so we're looking forward to next summer and maybe more quartz gold showing in the pan.
    (Click the pic for larger view)
    Bob

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    Underburden got a reaction from Coeur_D_Alene in Epa Shuts Down Idaho Rivers To Dredgers   
    Enforcement by intimidation. Set the penalties high enough and they won't have to spend a dime for enforcement. 
    Also be aware of Idaho Conservation League 'narcs'. Photograph anyone within sight of your diggings in case you need proof of who dropped a dime on you later on.
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    Underburden got a reaction from Geowizard in August Highlights From Our Idaho Claim   
    Updates to my BLOG include a topic titled "Pay It Forward" and "High Grade Deposit".
    Here's a sample from the photos included in the updates.
    Bob
    Bedrock or Bust

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    Underburden got a reaction from Ronald C in Worry The Bedrock   
    Two weeks on and 4 days off seems the norm this summer on the claim. Just posted another update at Bedrock or Bust 
    Found some interesting bedrock structure that I'll attack upon my return to the diggings. Also found a unique quartz/gold specimen I named 'Heads or Tails' for obvious reasons when you see the pics.
    My Rockin Gold Grabber is still churning out good cleanups too.
     
    Bob
    Orofino, ID
     
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    Underburden got a reaction from Ronald C in Cinco De Mayo Gold   
    Although the creeks are running high and mighty in the back country, I was able to ford some fast water to reach a bench deposit on the opposite bank. First few hours of panning payed a few bits here and there and then while swirling the black sands, a glimmer of gold showed in the black sands.
    A few more swirls and the gold appeared bigger and bigger. The final reveal exposed a nice chunk.
    I couldn't understand how it got through my ¼" classifier, but it did thank God. A few more smaller chunks found their way to the sucker bottle before having to ford the creek once again for the final exit of the weekend.
    Shovel and pan were the tools of the day.
    May be a month before I can risk fording the creek once again as the water she's a risin'.
     
    Bob


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    Underburden reacted to Clay in Epa Shuts Down Idaho Rivers To Dredgers   
    This is all nonsense from the EPA.
     
    I'll go into more detail later but here are a few points to consider:
     
    1. The EPA is not in charge of permitting dredging on navigable waters of the United States, the Army Corps of Engineers is. The EPA just got spanked by the Supreme Court for interfering with the Army on their duty to administer dredge and fill. The EPA tried to void an existing permit from the Army the court told them to F* OFF. The Courts will not be pleased to hear about the EPA continuing to push their nose in their bosses business.
     
    2. Dredge permits are for taking material from wetlands and placing it elsewhere. Gold "dredging does not "displace" material according to several recent court decisions.
     
    3. The NPDES permit system is for permitting "point source pollution" from outside the waterway. In-water gold dredging is neither "pollution" under the law nor is it a "point source".
     
    It seems the EPA has determined that gold dredgers in Idaho are an easy mark. Despite many court cases over the last 14 years, including several Supreme Court decisions, telling the EPA they just don't have that legal power they continue to pick on the little guy in hopes of finding some way to do what Congress and the courts have told them they can't do.
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